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I wrote an article for pay on the English Wikipedia. It was submitted in "Draft" form via their "Articles for Creation" process, with COI declared, and published by an independent editor.

My client has offered to supply a professional translation of my work and asked me to publish it here. May I do so, and is there a procedure which I need to follow? Pigsonthewing (discuter) 1 octobre 2024 à 20:10 (CEST)[répondre]

Hello @Pigsonthewing and thanks for reaching out. First of all, you need to state in your userpage who your client is and that you have been paid to write an article for them. Can you also provide a link to the article on the English Wiki? It is a good practice that your client used professional translator. However, the article must meet the treshold of notability (and criteria are usually more restrictive here on the French wiki than on EN). Then, the style also needs to be encyclopedic and not hagiographic or promotional (especially when dealing with a living person, a company or any entity). So I think it would be good practice to publish this translation in your draft page (Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon). Skimel (discuter) 2 octobre 2024 à 01:16 (CEST)[répondre]

Thank you. If I publish it as a draft, what do I do next? Pigsonthewing (discuter) 2 octobre 2024 à 01:42 (CEST)[répondre]

+100 to what Skimel said.

Pigsonthewing, the difference with en.wp is that no one will publish your draft on your behalf. Some users might give you advice (here) about your work¹, but none of that advice will be a formal approval of the work or a publication. You are free to publish the article anytime.

If the quality of the translation (or the tone) is not up to what NPOV asks for, reviewers will tell you. But again it will be up to fix it, and then up to you again you to decide on when to publish the article in the main space. Post-publication, the article will have its own life.

Side note: I question myself on the copyright around the translation work. How will it be credited?

¹ Please note that many reviewers will not accept to have a conversation in English about an article written in French. The goal of the review is to have a conversation on how to improve the article. Please consider this as you don't speak French. And before you ask: I don't review articles created by paid-editors.

Trizek ^bla 4 octobre 2024 à 14:50 (CEST)[répondre]

Noted, thank you. Pigsonthewing (discuter) 10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST)[répondre]

The article is now at Utilisateur:Pigsonthewing/Brouillon. I would be grateful for advice as to whether any changes are needed, before it is published. Should the names of artists which have articles in English, but not French, be red-linked? Pigsonthewing (discuter) 10 octobre 2024 à 17:14 (CEST)[répondre]

Hi @Pigsonthewing, the first sentence of the message written by @Skimel was to ask you to write your COI on your user page, like described on Wikipédia:Contributions rémunérées. I don't see such thing, did I miss it? Thanks, -Framawiki ^✉ 11 octobre 2024 à 13:52 (CEST)[répondre]

No; apologies, I forgot. I have done so now. Pigsonthewing (discuter) 11 octobre 2024 à 14:28 (CEST)[répondre]

I added the standard template for a draft at the top of your sandbow. It gives you the option to ask for a proofreading (Demander une relecture) or to publish the article (Publier mon brouillon). My engagement stop there, good luck! Trizek ^bla 14 octobre 2024 à 20:56 (CEST)[répondre]

Apologies for posting in English
Hello everyone, the Wikidata for Wikimedia projects team is investigating the benefit of adding a new <tag> for a Wikidata item QID into the XML file output from the Special:Export function.

Have you used this function before? If yes, we would like to hear from you.

• Would adding a new <tag> for a linked Wikidata item (e.g. <wikidataid>) aid you?
• What types of pages did you export? (article, template, talk etc.)
• What did you do with the exported content?

Please leave your comments or questions in your preferred language as a reply to this message, thank you. -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (discuter) 27 novembre 2024 à 17:01 (CET)[répondre]

Hi Danny

You should post it at Discussion Projet:Wikidata, even in English.

Trizek ^bla 27 novembre 2024 à 17:15 (CET)[répondre]

Hi, sorry for writing in English! Recently we had a Shakespeare-related edit-a-thon in Hungary, and one of the students wrote an article about James Hirsh in French. Can you please check if the subject is notable enough for your project? You can find the article here. Thank you in advance! Bencemac (discuter) 27 décembre 2024 à 18:44 (CET)[répondre]

Hello Bencemac.

On wp.fr, a topic requires at least two nationally known independent secondary sources with at least two years between publication (see Wikipédia:Notoriété des personnes, and WP:NSU).

I'm not going to check in detail whether James Hirsh's article qualifies here, but after a short search on Google, it doesn't.

If the only sources are like his biography on the GSU site, that's certainly not enough (it's not an independent source since he works there).

He could have written dozens of books, if no independent secondary source has bothered to talk about him, wp.fr shouldn't either.

Léa Lamielle-Puyraimond should ask for help at the Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux for a better answer.

Anyway, in its current state, her draft is not ready to be published here, partly because of its layout. See Aide:Comment rédiger un bon article to learn how to write a good article.

Regards, Şÿℵדαχ₮ɘɼɾ๏ʁ 28 décembre 2024 à 02:06 (CET)[répondre]

Hi,

I would focus on WP:NSU first, which has specific criteria more interesting than the "independent secondary sources with at least two years between publication" given above.

@Léa Lamielle-Puyraimond, an even better place to ask for proofreading is the Wikipédia:Forum de relecture.

An interesting way to check to the notoriety would be to work on the the prices and distinctions this professor received. If they are the top ones on his domain of expertise, it would fulfill the requirements.

Cheers, Trizek ^bla 28 décembre 2024 à 19:17 (CET)[répondre]

Hello!

I would like to edit Shamate to include File:Smart_kids-011.jpg. If possible, add it in with the caption "Example of Shamate fashion" translated to French.

Merci beaucoup, QuickQuokka (discuter) 25 janvier 2025 à 18:18 (CET)[répondre]

Hi

As you know how to edit, why don't you do it yourself?

The caption would be « Example de mode Shamate ».

Trizek ^bla 25 janvier 2025 à 19:20 (CET)[répondre]

@Trizek: Well, I do know how to edit and add the picture, but I do not speak French, so I wanted an actual French person to do the translation, because I frankly do not trust Google Translate or other machine translation. Thanks for your help! QuickQuokka (discuter) 26 janvier 2025 à 07:12 (CET)[répondre]

(I posted a similar question at sv:Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Incidental exposure of woman’s nipples in article where it is not relevant.)

This image is included in the article Arbacia lixula, captioned as:

Cet oursin n'est pas dangereux, et peut être manipulé sans risque avec quelques précautions.

Thus her nipples are not relevant, but showing her whole body for context might be useful.

Some users object to even incidental inclusion of such body parts. Wikimedia projects are not censored, by policy, but should not use that as an excuse to include gratuitious nudity. So do you think it would be useful to have a modified version of this image, with the nipples obscured, or does pandering to such concerns send the wrong message? Brianjd (discuter) 28 janvier 2025 à 06:05 (CET)[répondre]

Hello Brianjd. I see that you've already received answers on the Swedish Wikipedia.

We have a guideline for offensive content, but I'm not sure that this photo is concerned: you see female nipples everywhere in the encyclopaedia, on history pages, mythology pages, and so on. Here, the image does not highlight these elements, nor is it lascivious. It's simply a woman on vacation, at the beach. Lazulis (discuter) 28 janvier 2025 à 09:13 (CET)[répondre]

Hi

I agree with what @Lazulis said regarding offensive contents, and we wouldn't censor nudity. I would strongly oppose anyone wanting to remove images of nudity where it is relevant.

However, we also have guidelines regarding the usage of images. And in this specific case, the article is about the sea urchin. Consequently, the image could focus on the urchin. As a consequence, I don't think anyone would oppose a change of the initial image by this cropped image.

This comment is not an authorization for @Brianjd to start their nipple crusade on other articles, or nitpicking about the current case. I note that you start complaining about the crop, being the only one noticing a tiny bit of a nipple remaining visible. This kind of behavior would not not be accepted here. Breath, and move on, please.

Trizek ^bla 28 janvier 2025 à 15:20 (CET)[répondre]

‘Nipple crusade’? That’s absurd. If I was on such a crusade, I could start plenty of arguments on projects in my own language.

I’m not on such a crusade. I confine my comments to this specific case, of real-life (not artistic) nipples in an article where they are not relevant. Brianjd (discuter) 28 janvier 2025 à 15:51 (CET)[répondre]